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ALLEGHANY COUNTY, Va. (Alleghany Business Review) — Mountain Gateway Community College is marking 63 years of service to the Alleghany Highlands region, and its president says the institution’s role in workforce development has never been more critical.
Dr. John Rainone, who has led the college for 13 years, said approximately 80% of the school’s graduates enter the workforce directly after completing certificates, credentials, or associate degrees — and the vast majority stay in the region.
“Roughly 85 to 90% of our students stay in this community,” Rainone said. “We’re probably more 95% stay in the state.”
The college serves about 1,900 students across an 1,800-square-mile service region representing roughly 70,000 people. Its commercial driving license program has become one of its largest offerings, bolstered by a partnership with Garten Trucking, which hires most of its drivers from the program. Nursing also remains a cornerstone, with Lewis Gale Alleghany hiring nine graduates in a single recent year.
Rainone said the college is embracing artificial intelligence across its curriculum. Mountain Gateway was selected as one of 15 statewide laboratory school projects under an initiative from former Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s administration. The program allows high school sophomores to earn up to seven industry credentials in information technology, cloud computing and AI over three years.
“Our faculty have really jumped on this,” Rainone said, noting the college formed an AI committee in August to explore how the technology can enhance both instruction and administrative operations.
The college’s partnership with Smurfit WestRock, the region’s largest employer, spans roughly 50 years and includes apprenticeships, participation on advisory committees, and on-site training programs. A summer welding program delivered inside the Westrock facility has run for 15 years.
Collaboration with the Jackson River Technical Center has also expanded the college’s reach. Dual enrollment accounts for about 50% of the college’s total credit enrollment, enabling high school students to earn college credit and industry credentials before graduation.
Rainone identified childcare, transportation, and workforce housing as the region’s primary barriers to workforce participation. He said the college addresses financial concerns through state and federal grants, emergency funding through the educational foundation, and a restructured eight-week course format designed for working adults and single parents.
“Community college students are roughly $400 from an emergency, from dropping out of college,” Rainone said. “We want to get people to the finish line.”
Looking ahead, Rainone pointed to a 13% enrollment increase this fall and 17% this spring as signs of momentum. The college plans to launch heavy equipment operator and diesel mechanic programs within the next six to 12 months.
“Come and learn about the programs,” Rainone said. “Education does not have to be expensive, and starting at a community college can be a great start.”
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John Rainone 0:00
In some of those cases, we actually send our instructors into West Rock. An example is a summer welding program, which has been going on for 15 years. We will send our instructors into West Rock and do a summer welding program. You
Gene Mundy 0:23
Good afternoon, everybody. Today, we’re here with Dr John Rainone, the president of Mountain Gateway Community College, and we want to talk about workforce development and how Mountain Gateway is leading the effort in our community. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I’ve been looking forward to having you on and very timely conversation, we just, you know, we chatted with Ken McFadden a couple days ago. One of the big topics was workforce development, getting people in the workforce and so kind of following in that conversation, I’d like to just maybe start off with getting an overview for maybe people that don’t know, which would be strange, but a little bit about mountain Gateway Community College, sure.
John Rainone 1:09
Again, thank you for having me. Mountain Gateway Community College has been in this community for 63 years, and next month is our 63rd and birthday, so we our focus. We are a comprehensive community college. We serve roughly 1900 students, both in a degree or certificate plus workforce credentials, which I’ll talk about in a second. The the second the and we have a our program offerings try to reflect the needs of our service region. Our service region represents 1800 square miles, and those 1800 square miles is roughly 70,000 individuals. So we’re always looking and trying to change programs and update programs and and so our college, even though we are comprehensive, which means both transfer and workforce, only about 20% of our students actually transfer. Okay? So 80% of our students who complete a short term certificate, an industry credential like a commercial driving license or a full associate degree in nursing or whatever, though those are those are really workforce related topics, and they’re going to go directly to work after the college.
John Rainone 2:49
The great thing about community colleges statewide, over 80% of community college graduates stay in Virginia. I would say that roughly 85 to 90% of our students stay in this community, and we’re probably more 95% of our students stay in the state, okay? And if we lose anybody, we may just lose them to the border of West Virginia,
John Rainone 3:16
because there’s not many who I remember last year, specifically, two high school students who were in they were seniors in high school, they earned three industry credentials while they were seniors, all in the healthcare area CNA,
John Rainone 3:33
which is certified nursing assistant, certified medical assistant and phlebotomy. And one of them was moving to the
John Rainone 3:41
Whitfield area. And the other one was moving to, she was moving to Tennessee, and that’s where her family was, yeah, so, you know, but so even in that case, even in that case, the students completed that they were high school, they were high school seniors at Alleghany, and we were able to meet their needs, our our so we’ve really tried. I’ve always described us as a workforce college, right? Because of the of where our students we graduate, roughly 350 a year who earn a certificate or credential. And again, the bulk of those students are staying either in this community or definitely in the Commonwealth. Yeah.
Gene Mundy 4:29
What do you see is the currently, the almost say, currently in the last say, three, three to five years, biggest demand for workforce, training or education. And then the following question I’ll ask you next is, where do you see going in the next five years?
John Rainone 4:49
So our largest program right now, which has grown in that three to five years by enrollment, is commercial driving license. Is CDL, right? We have. A and I’ll just use one example. We have a great partnership with Garten Trucking, and they hire most of their drivers from our program. They are communicating all the time with our full time faculty members in CDL and our adjuncts and we so that is one of our largest programs. Sure, when the college started, we were known. When I got here roughly 13 years ago, we were known for nursing and forestry, right? We have the only forestry two year associate degree in the Commonwealth, and our nursing program was, was top notch, okay, I think over the years, because of the change the short term programs such as CDL, another program, obviously, nursing, you know, so nursing, I believe it was two years ago, Lewis Gale Alleghany hired nine of our graduates, which was, I believe, the largest number in one year that they hired from our nursing pool. Those are some of the students who might go out of the area, because there might be limited amounts. So we do have a lot who go to Roanoke, and we’ve had a couple go to Charlottesville, but the bulk of those, once again, the bulk of those students, actually stay in this particular area, where we go from here, or again, if, I guess, if I had a crystal ball, I I’d be, I could get the lottery numbers or something,
Gene Mundy 6:36
but we wouldn’t be doing, I
John Rainone 6:38
think, from from at least indication, CDL is still going to be a priority for people, because there is a large turnover every year, at least nationally. I don’t think it’s as large as it is here. We are doing a lot more with with it and and specifically AI. So we were fortunate a year ago to to get a statewide one of 15 projects called the laboratory school. It was an initiative of Governor Youngkin’s administration, and the focus of that was for our five high school students, and they would start as sophomores, and their sophomore, junior and senior year, they could earn up to seven industry credentials in it, help desk, information technology and cloud computing and AI, okay. Ai, that’s fascinating. So these are so this first year, the Max was 24 I believe we had 19 students from our schools, and they come to both our campuses, or they can do it from from their own home school, and they are learning classes and Python programming and other types of things that that are well beyond my range.
Gene Mundy 8:08
So Dr Rainone, you mentioned artificial intelligence, I think, and that’s a fascinating topic. It’s something that’s permeating across the business industry, how we use it. Can you tell us a little bit more about that specific
John Rainone 8:23
course of study, sure. So, so right now, we don’t have an AI certificate. However, our faculty have really jumped on this. So in the past, this past August, we created an AI committee on campus, because some of the faculty just like me. I mean, I use chat, GPT practically every day, but do I really understand sort of the impact of that? Faculty wanted to really understand how they can use it as a tool for students. Because when students, if our job is to try to teach students essential skills. Ai skills are one of those essential skills that when they leave us, so how to use it? So one example, and the chair of our AI committee is actually the head of our English department. So we’ve had conversations about how can it be used in English? One example could be the first day of class. You’re in an English composition class. You write a you write a paragraph or two from a prompt, yeah. Chat, GPT actually will evaluate that for you, okay? And it will give you potentially grade level. It will give you some recommendations. Then two weeks later, you do it again, and then two weeks after that, you do it again, okay, it’s not cheating. It is using the tools that we already have, yeah, and the faculty have, have, have, have embraced that we are teaching it specific. Basically in, obviously, our IT courses, but I believe what we’re going to see, and again, we’re kind of new at as an institutional vision. And the committee actually asked me to create an institutional vision for how I see AI, so that’s the teaching side, but I also know that AI can help on the student services side, on the administrative side, yeah, we are, you know, we we are one of the smallest colleges in the state. We we are. Our funding has been limited, okay, from the state we have every employee at the college does probably at least three jobs. Okay, so can I find ways to help become much people much more efficient and effective? Yeah, okay, which would allow them to ultimately serve our students better? Okay? I think we do a great job with customer service and everything, but I want to, but if we have this tool, how can we use the tool to become much more efficient for our community and our students?
Gene Mundy 11:14
Yeah, that’s, this is really fascinating. I didn’t anticipate, you know, kind of going sure, you know, getting to this topic, but as someone who you know, you use it. There’s multiple platforms. There’s Claude, there’s Gemini, there’s chat GPT, there’s, there’s a couple other out that are out there. What I’ve found, and I use, I use three of the four or five, I think, in allowing you know it’s a learning mechanism correct. It learns based on how you feed it, what data you give it, and what and what your what parameters you’re establishing, and then washing them. Your outputs across different platforms gives you different perspectives and to your point, it is a tool, and it is the future, and, you know, it’s just like picking up a toolbox. You don’t drive a nail with a screwdriver. Correct, correct. Learn to use, use it as you know, to develop the outputs that you’re looking for, yeah,
John Rainone 12:13
and really being able to make it understand. And for me, it was around six, seven months ago, I was at a conference, and this keynote speaker, who was kind of at the end of his career, he started talking about AI, and he talked about the importance of prompting and the importance and it was just so fascinating because he said, Yes, I knew. He said, I knew how to spell AI, but that was about it, and most people our age. And he said, right. And he said that it really was this ability for me to use things. And he used one example. He said that he had, he he has a 32 year old son with learning disabilities, and he and his wife for 20 years, okay, paid for specialists and everything else. So he became a little fascinated, so he started a prompt for a Learning Assistance Plan for his son when, when his son was 12 years old, and he he worked at it, worked at it, and he said, about two months later, I created, in seconds, the same plan that specialists created 20 years ago. Okay, from that, and he’s saying, I’m not saying AI should, should diagnose medical or anything else, but he said that that’s the power to be able to do that as a learning, really as a learning thing. And he said, and I and they even included certain recommendations. Now, 20 years later, things are things are better and evolved. But how AI has just really been able to evolve and really help individuals who could not pay for specialists or could not, you know, so
Gene Mundy 14:00
available at your fingertips. Exactly, yeah, exactly, yeah. It’s, you know, how that connects to your other curriculum activities and the university operating processes. You know, I can think, you know, robotics, unmanned systems, you know, we’ve had some conversations about that.
John Rainone 14:17
Obviously, the thing I love is even data analysis, being able to do large pieces of data and giving us some top level analysis for that, and then we can dive into some of, you know, some of that information, I think is wonderful. I just think it’s wonderful.
Gene Mundy 14:35
You mentioned the CDL and how that feeds into garden trucking and, you know, how about, you know, some of our bigger industries, Smurfit, West, rock and jevity, you know, how does your, you know, the workforce development courses or programs support, you know, those big,
John Rainone 14:55
yeah, so Smurfit is probably our longest partner. I would say at least 50. Years. And I think we were two names ago and they were four names ago or something. But for years, we have, you know, first of all, at the at the at the lower level, we have multiple employees of Smurf at West Rock on our program advisory committees every every program, area like forestry and it and electrical and instrumentation, they have pro industry experts who provide input into curriculum and make recommendations for changing they meet one they meet once a year in person, and then they meet a second time, usually by zoom or so. So their involvement is obviously critical as the largest employer in this area, we’ve also done for a number of years apprenticeship with them. So they have skill traffic craft areas. So if you’re a welder or a machinist, you get retrained into one area or another. We can provide apprenticeships for them. It does even allow, at times, some state funding through that to help the employer but the individual. So in some of those cases, we actually send our instructors into West Rock. An example is a summer welding program, which has been going on for 15 years. We will send our instructors into West Rock and do a summer welding program specifically for their employer, employees. We also have, obviously, a number of employees who will come to the college and enroll in our general courses as well our general courses. The thing we’re finding as the number one, I think, need in this area, and it kind of is the need in a lot of areas, is skilled trades, right? Okay, so we offer building trades and electrical and a plumbing and maintenance mechanic. You know, the interesting thing we’ve had conversations, we’ve done some training with the homestead, and I’ll give you an example of the Homestead. You know, homestead is 24/7 business you only think about the front of the house and everything. We’ve had conversations and done some training for their maintenance staff, because they needed to be cross trained in electrical and plumbing, in HVAC, the whole maintenance mechanic component. And what we do is we use some industry recognized curriculum that’s already been tested, and we bring those modules taught by our local faculty members to the either the classroom, the employer and the lab.
Gene Mundy 17:54
Yeah, it’s a, you know, the kind of focus on that for a second, if you know, you think about that. We also have JRTC kids in high school that are not kids, or they’re young people, but, you know, they’re learning trades. We had boys home, yes, came in and talked to us a couple weeks ago. And you know, they’ve got a fantastic facility up there that’s pretty much brand new, pretty active. And you know, how is there, is there a synchronicity between those organizations?
John Rainone 18:27
Yeah, so we’ll use JRTC first. So JRTC, one of our largest programs from our five schools, is dual enrollment, okay, roughly 50% of our, of our, of our total credit enrollment, or our dual is dual enrollment, and these are students who are still in high school, and in most cases, taught by high qualified high school teachers qualified at the college level, not at the high school level. And those students in that class, both in an English class, but also in a in a welding class, for example, a JRTC, they will earn college credit and potentially earn a certificate or degree before they even leave the college before they leave the High School, an example of Welding. And I’ll use Jamie Huffman, who runs a wonderful program at JRTC, Jamie and our program heads have always been in concert with each other. Okay? So those students, in some cases, even come to us, and we are offering a lot of pipe welding now and so forth, which the high school is not offering. So the students might actually come get their construction welding at the high school come to us, but if, even if they don’t come to us, they’re earning something while they’re at the high school, because of our our partnership, boys home on the other side have also participated in. Courses boys home participates in what we called our road runner day. We’re our nickname of The Road Runners, so they come and participate road runner to learn about, learn about programs, even beyond boys home, or through an articulation agreement that we have with, you know, with boys home, we we we want to be at the table. We don’t have to be the lead for everything. We want to be at the table because we, we want to be able to be a part a true partner. And you can call yourself a partner, but do nothing. But honestly, we want to be a true partner where it’s it benefits the student. Sure that’s all to me. If it benefits the
Gene Mundy 20:41
student, everybody has a role to play. Let’s figure out what, exactly, what, yes,
John Rainone 20:45
exactly and and there’s enough work for everybody to go around. And I’m a believer of lifelong learning. So if a student earns something at the high school level of skill, it should not be wasted if they come to college, right? Okay, yeah. And by the way, the if a student completes two years with us, a student a family will basically save and this is only for public Virginia schools roughly between 26 and 30, $32,000 in tuition if they complete with us and then transfer that’s significant, so that that becomes very significant.
Gene Mundy 21:26
That’s a year’s worth of cost at us at a four year university. Absolutely. Yeah, that’s fantastic. When kind of go back to our conversation with Ken, and one of the things he brought up that really shocked me was in our community, estimation, there’s probably around 33 3500 people that are that can work, that are unemployed and for various reasons, and I don’t know what they are, and I don’t you know, I’m not going to speculate. But for those people, what? What’s, what does Mountain Gateway have to offer them? Like, how do we how do we leverage the resources we have to get more earners into the workforce?
John Rainone 22:12
So I’ve been in community colleges, I guess I will tell you, it’s been, it’s 35 years now, three, three colleges. This will be my last college so, and I have never so, so one, one possible misnomer is community college education is expensive, right? And it’s not. I gave you that example of how much the savings the Commonwealth of Virginia has put a lot of money into things such as our fast forward, which is our short term credentials, if you want to earn, if you want to earn CDL credential, or something short term. So if any, any of the listeners, are concerned about costs, trying to get that cost is not an option there. There are options, both state grants and these are grants, not loans, as well as federal grants through our financial aid process. Number two, I think that there may be a lack of understanding of maybe what we offer. Okay, we have recently, and this is a project we were honored to be one of 15 colleges in the country selected by the National Council for inquiry and improvement through for a three year rural pathways grant. And one of our goals was to switch all our credit programs to eight weeks, eight week terms, because community college students are first generation. Typically, they are single parents. They’re working two jobs, if it may be even three. Okay, so we want to be able to offer courses same course, and we’re not going to have you take four courses a semester. You’re going to take two for eight weeks, complete that and then take two more, because what happens is, life happens. Okay, there’s a line that community college students are roughly $400 from an emergency, from dropping out of college, okay, they get a flat tire, yeah, all right, they can’t pay the water bill. They can’t pay the heating bill. We have, actually, through our educational foundation, have emergency funding, which we have given, it’s probably now $100,000 or so of emergency funding to students who demonstrate that they have a need, because we want to get people to the finish line. It’s easy getting students in, getting them to the finish line is not so, and one of our focus and and I think this goes directly to your question as part of this. Rant is to really focus more on the adults, the adults who have maybe been out of high school, three years, five years, who want something different. You know, they want to become an electrician. They just don’t know, you know, the steps, how do I get there, right? How do I get there? Exactly. And I do think that this is where that connection and I mean we obviously we know where all the high school students are okay, and we even have full time staff in in the high school they call career coaches. There are employees who help those students navigate the education system, because our guidance counselors are dealing with so many other things, okay, and they’re not always recruiting the students to Mountain Gateway. We can’t run every single program, but if somebody wanted physical become a physical therapist, they might refer them to, you know, one of our two other colleges for a program, okay, maybe they wouldn’t have taken the time to look at that and everything for I think anybody who is able to work wants to work. There are jobs out there. I Okay, there are certainly jobs. So how can we even help? We also have, two years ago, we we implemented a full fledged Career Center, okay? So we have a full time person who’s our director, and it is not only it’s especially for our students to help them find jobs, but it’s for alumni. Okay, no one is going to kick you out if you’re from the community as well. Okay, so there could be some of that connection. So if you want, you want an electrician and say, you finish these certifications and you want to help with the job search this office will certainly help you with that. A lot of times that also is from the instructors, because the instructors, the evening instructors, are still in the workplace, yeah, so they’re, you know, they may be recruiting their own students to come and work for them. Yeah.
Gene Mundy 27:19
Ken mentioned a few. You know, what are the barriers, OR gate gates to get through to if someone’s not in the workforce and they’re trying to get there, and whether that’s financial, whether that’s transportation, whether that’s child care. You know, it sounds like a lot of those barriers are addressed already. They just need to go find the answer.
John Rainone 27:47
Yeah, and I’ve been the two you hit on which is critical, is childcare and transportation. I’ve been part of in my time here, multiple conversations about how as a community, can we address that? We do have some transportation Okay, and the college is one of the stops along that, and we have not solved the childcare situation, although the Y does a amazing job, but they they have limited space and limited staff and so forth. But the other piece, which to attract individuals, and you didn’t ask that, is workforce housing. Okay? Is workforce housing? So I think we would attract more individuals to this area with workforce housing, and that has been, there hasn’t been a year or six months that we haven’t, I haven’t been in a meeting that talks about workforce housing. And I think that there are, there are great models that have already started to have happen with the with the apartments in in low more, you know, by the Y and I think that there are some, there are certainly some landlords who are now starting to open up their properties to, you know, to to workforce housing and but that’s been really The conversation. So, you’re right. The childcare still needs assistance. The transportation is there needs certainly more. But then the workforce housing is the third piece
Gene Mundy 29:30
that sounds like a great episode we need to put together. Yeah, looking forward, where do you see Mountain Gateway in the next five years?
John Rainone 29:40
Sure. Well, if, if we use this year as an indication, this fall, we had a 13% increase in enrollment, and this spring, we’re at 17% so I would love to say we’re going to repeat that for the next five years, but we want to be able to. To continue to offer the needs of the community. Okay, we we are asking, we are inviting employers to campus, to various summits and everything, and we’re asking, what are their needs? Are? One of the issues, because we’re in a small area, is we can’t meet all of the needs for one employer if there’s only two employees that need a particular program. But this is where can we work with the JRTC and a boys home or something? One example, and I’ll just give it to you quickly, is a number of years ago when Shaffer rolls moved into the area and now American roles. We, my former VP of workforce and I, we went to New Hampshire, visited the site, learned about what their training, what training needs would be, and they needed machining. We were able to get equipment from the state. We worked with JRTC, where they have a machining lab. There they and then covid hit. So this was right before covid We were and they were hiring 35 people, which was a lot for our community. They we were able to deliver that program to them to meet the meet their immediate workforce needs. And then, once we get past covid, JRTC started, I believe, a year ago, running that for high school students. And we have access to that lab at night. So we’re running, you know? So we are running. Sorry, we’re running those programs at night for adults. Okay, so I can see in the future more partnerships like that, right? I can also see us changing programs. You know, programs are not meant to last 100 years either, so I’m not saying that we have any indication we’re going to eliminate any program at this point, but there’s also a capacity level. So if I add three more health care programs, because we might need health care programs. You know, can we? Can we balance that at the college? The good thing, in many ways, is we don’t have a lot of space on the main campus, either. So the example with JRTC in the machining lab, we couldn’t, we couldn’t create a machining lab, even if we wanted to, we just didn’t have the space. Yeah, we are going to be launching, in the next six to 12 months, a heavy equipment operator program. We were able to require dollars for that to get heavy equipment level one, and we will also be running a diesel mechanic. Don’t ask me too much about diesel mechanic, but a diesel mechanic program probably at that beginning, you know, level one or level two, and we have curriculum and and we are trying to get instructors to be able to sort of build this out, and then we will start advertising. So those are more of the media programs. And, you know, so I’m very optimistic in in, you know, in the growth in any any college goes through ups and downs with enrollment. We had, we had a post covid enrollment, incredible increase. But then three years after that, we were we were down. Yeah, now we’re back up significantly, and we basically caught up to almost what we’ve lost over the last couple years. So my, my, my hope is, as we add new programs, we’re going to be able to get more of an interest to even, to go back to your point of able bodied workers who may want to be able to get a new skill,
Gene Mundy 34:08
yeah, yeah. Well, I appreciate you, you know, you coming in and talking to us, and, you know, there’s we, we’ve covered a lot of ground, you know, a lot of different. I mean, think about just the range of of course material that you taught, from healthcare to, you know, commercial truck driving to technology. I mean, it’s pretty fascinating. And, you know, really supports, really focus on supporting our local economy and putting people into jobs.
John Rainone 34:45
Yeah, and, and as people like Ken and the Economic Development Corporation, they start and working with the Roanoke Regional Partnership, which I serve on their board. As. As the potential of new employers come in, their skill level is going to be slightly different, so we’re ready to be at that table, and, and, and really, if we have to either customize that’s another piece is we can customize the training, so it’s not just an off the shelf program because we teach 20 modules in a particular course, your company may only need 15 of them. That’s what we will deliver to you.
Gene Mundy 35:29
I’ll give you the last word. What’s the message to the members of our community that either are thinking about going back to school, going to school, changing careers?
John Rainone 35:41
So a couple of things that and part of this eight week. Thing is, number one, we have multiple start dates now. Okay, so if you think about starting now, we actually have a start date in March, okay, okay. We also will have a start date in May, and then we will have one in August and one in October and one in January. So, you know, we have multiple start dates. If it’s short term, like CDL, that’s a rolling so we, you know, we start. So don’t, don’t think about that. I have to wait till May to come in, right? Okay, you’re not committing anything. You’re you don’t come and find out what we have.
Gene Mundy 36:23
It’s not like traditional I got to start in this fall, and now I got to take spring.
John Rainone 36:27
That’s correct, right? That’s correct. I think the other thing is, I think some people who know about the college, but don’t know about the college, I think might be surprised at the number and the vast amount of programs that we do offer right and options that we we do offer, as well as the financial assistance that may be there based on somebody’s income and so forth. So education does not have to be expensive, and starting at a community college, if you always wanted to get a bachelor’s degree, we can be a great start. Sure one of those other priorities that we have for in that rural pathways grant is to convert a lot more of our dual enrollment students who have a bag of credits and they earn a certificate, get them to a degree before they even leave, or they may have to come to us for a semester because we know of the financial savings, so being able to do that so, you know, come, don’t think about the traditional start. Come and learn about the programs. I think our campus is one of the nicest campuses in the entire Virginia Community College System. It’s a it’s a good place to be, and I think we got great staff, great customer service, and people who can help you get from point A to point B, and even beyond,
Gene Mundy 37:56
well, Dr Rainone, thanks for spending the afternoon with us, and I know you’re a busy man, so your time is appreciated. Thank you.
John Rainone 38:03
Thank you so much for having me.
